Tag: OUAT speculation

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OK it just occurred to me, if they do some sort of Quantum Leap time-travel thing to the past because whatever new (or maybe old?) villain is going back in time and changing tiny things in the 3 remaining core characters lives so that the future events don’t happen, and Lucy wants Henry to go with her back in time to correct those tiny changes so all of their happy endings are preserved, I’d be down for that. She was clearly relieved to see that last page, maybe it’s like Marty’s photograph and she has to keep checking on it and that it doesn’t get erased, while they save the day that way. 

And they could focus on each of the three “villains” past that got changed, maybe Killian doesn’t come back on time from Neverland or he succeeds somehow or doesn’t team up with Cora and doesn’t meet Emma, or Regina is prevented to cast the curse in the first place, or Rumple is reunited with Bae somehow so he doesn’t need to create everything for the curse to be casted, idk, somehow there are some butterfly effects some villain is creating that will erase that happily ever after page on the book.

And if Jen’s only returning for the premiere is2g they better show us what their happy beginning has been like the past 10 years, maybe showing us they have a little baby girl and they spent many of those years traveling on the Roger to other realms having adventures because PLEASE.

Even if they don’t do this, I think I’ll pretend that’s what next season is about, or any other way where they don’t fuck up with CS and everyone else’s HEA.

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mayquita:

Anything that happened between Killian and Tiger Lily could not be so serious given his reaction to seeing her. There is no hint of guilt or worry. His reaction is totally different from the one in which Killian met Ursula for the first time in Storybrooke 

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yes, exactly. Looks like unnecessary drama has been kicked up again…

I thought the exact same thing, plus both the EW article and the article today with Colin’s answer make it even clearer that Tiger Lily’s problem with him is just because of his past association with Pan and not something he directly did TO her. Honestly I’m just thankful they definitively shut down the “they had a fling” speculation that was going around (and frankly I was a bit worried of that myself at some point, oh well).

If I hadn’t lost almost all hope for OuaT…

onceuponsomechaos:

I would say there is a missing scene between the sneak peeks. 

And just in case there isn’t, I’ll “write” one for you, as I can’t alter the sneak peeks (or this season) as well.

A scene where OuaT writers play on the loophole they’ve never wanted to fix (for lazy dramatic storytelling reasons) where no one has a password set up to protect/warn against the fact that almost all villains can glamour themselves into another person.

I’m sure this also includes Gideon. I mean if he can poof around, send the Nautilus through a portal, and turn the EQ into a snake, I’m sure he can glamour.

So to “fix” the already seemingly OOC writing for “A Wondrous Place”, simply insert a scene of Gideon as Killian (I’m sure Colin would kill it) telling Emma it is over and he’s leaving for good (Gideon having sent the real Killian away), to ensure that Emma doesn’t try to find him or seek him out and to try to render her weak by breaking the bond of true love.

Her gut would be to believe him, but hey, even have her check for his heart because hopefully she’d have learned something since S4 (to her shock she can feel a beating heart).

And of course a glamour won’t occur to her (it never does to any character) at first. She won’t react logically, she’ll be hurt by the one person who wasn’t supposed to hurt her, all those years of abandonment temporarily overriding her growth.

It will only be later, when she can think again after the initial shock and pain, that she’ll realize that something was off.

Hit and run speculation about 6×21

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So a bit of a speculation before my head slams on my desk and I just fall asleep on the job (some people know exactly how to go about sucking the energy out of me).

I think that following the BTS we got from yesterday’s filming, we can all agree that the Black Fairy has done something nefarious.

I speculated sometime ago that the Black Fairy may have been behind the Dark Curse in order to get her own happy ending. Then the Dark Curse was stolen and hijacked by Rumple who added his Savior clause to it.

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hooks-and-feathers:

This is just a speculation (so disclaimer, a salt shaker to go along with it), and I’m going to tag my co-conspirator @j-philly-b (if you have more to add, go for it) because she and I speculated this, offline, some months ago, and now with episode 6×12 out of the way, it just seems clearer that Killian’s mission will be to break Snowing out of the sleeping curse for the reasons that we know.

I’m going to start with the people that will be in episode 6×15.

  • Captain Nemo (he’s also in episode 6×14);
  • 2.0;
  • Ariel and Eric;
  • Aladdin and Jasmine
  • Jafar

So I have no clue why Aladdin, Jasmine and Jafar are part of the episode, other than the show doesn’t know when to cut it losses (or ABC wanted them to do this story), I don’t know how those 3 fit into all of this. But apparently, Jasmine and Ariel know each other. I guess there’s a possibility that mute Ariel may have traveled to Agrabah because Eric was headed there as part of his long voyage.

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j-philly-b:

Assuming Emma and Killian’s wedding is the thing to close out the finale, what are the chances that their first kiss as husband and wife is the TLK that finally and truly ends the curse and that opens the door for a “new narrative” next season or just ends the series with a future free from any dark curse hanging over SB?

OMG this would be so perfect! *Crossing all the fingers and toes for something like this to happen*

You know Hook killing Emma’s grandfather will be a legitimate reason the antis can use against us? and a legitimate thing that can ruin all of Hook’s relationships

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pirateherokillian:

Who’s said Killian killed David’s father? I know this is a popular theory being bandied about, but there is absolutely no concrete evidence that it happened. And considering how Killian’s arc has gone so far this season, I don’t think they’re gonna undermine it by having him be the one who did. ALSO, we have it confirmed that King George is returning, so odds are he likely was the one involved in David’s father’s murder.

What I think is gonna be the strife between David and Killian is there’s gonna be a role reversal for the two of them. Instead of David being the morally centered one who keeps his head on straight and his wits about him, sticking to his hero’s honor, it’s gonna be Killian. And David is gonna be consumed by his need to avenge his father’s death. So far, in the seven episodes we’ve seen, David lied to his wife and kept the information about his father’s murder after he assured her he wouldn’t make it about vengeance (and this was also after he lied to Killian and told him there wasn’t anything wrong immediately upon finding that coin. So he’s hiding information from two people close to him). On the flip side, we’ve seen Killian own up to lying to and hiding something from Emma, even if it was just for a short while, make amends for his vengeance that affected Belle, Liam II, and Nemo, and become a focal point of heroism and hope. I don’t think it’s coincidence that as David starts to slip under the desire that drove Killian to his darkest places, Killian starts to become the very example of heroism that David has been held to for seasons. It’s gonna create tension because you know Killian is gonna do everything in his power to keep his friend and the father of his true love from making the same harmful mistakes he made, and David is gonna be so hellbent on figuring out the truth that he’s not gonna be open to taking Killian’s advice. And thus… tension and turmoil for Captain Charming.

At this point, with all the information we have now, I really don’t think Killian is involved directly with David’s father’s murder. It just doesn’t line up anymore.

So, this is so interesting. @pirateherokillian​, I think you have good points here. I also think that the role/parallel of King George (maybe as a brother of David’s father, that means, David’s Uncle!) is what is linked to the episode title and, as in Hamlet, David will seek revenge for that (enters Killian, an expert on revenge feelings, and acts as you said). 

 Hamlet, the Prince of Denmark, met the Ghost of his Father and their famous dialogue is key for what unfolds later. The Ghost tells Hamlet how he was murdered by his brother in a (quoting Hamlet)  “Murder most foul, as in the best it is; / But this most foul, strange and unnatural.”  

According to a study of Hamlet, All murder is “foul” (dirty, criminal), but the murder of King Hamlet by his brother is “most foul” because it was done in a sneaky, cowardly way; Claudius killed his brother by pouring poison in King Hamlet’s ear when he was taking a nap in his garden. And the murder is “unnatural” because by nature, Claudius should love his brother, not kill him.

Another point to consider in this drama, is the role of Regina, I mean, the Evil Queen. At the moment she gave the coin to David, her intention was to poison the Charmings and friends against each other. Taking that into account, the most likely person to be linked to the drama is Snow, I partially agree with @winger-hawk‘s theory that Snow is linked to the drama, but I don’t think she accidentally killed David’s father, she might know something related to the blood connection between King George and David’s father, maybe because of her own Father telling her and her step-mother (and for this reason Regina knew about the coin) about the two brothers, one was missing since a long time, something like that…

I’m not understanding…what is Morpheus’ end game being under the cloak then? And how does all this relate to a CS baby? I’m intrigued.

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I’m just going to say this before I post. This is only a speculation, I’m not attached to any of my speculations and neither should anyone reading them. I’m also going to place this below the cut to avoid annoying anyone that doesn’t care for this. There is obviously no confirmation from filming that Morpheus is under the hood other than the actor was present and had scenes with the Evil Queen (and dwarfs apparently which is just plain weird). And we don’t even know how he got from his time to the present day timeline.

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6×10 title spoiler? Jafar in Storybrooke by the end of the episode and a wish that comes back to bite people in the ass?

If there’s a wish to bring Robin back done with the genie lamp (Aladdin has it in 6×08), that means the rules of magic are going to be severely broken, and some people will end up paying the price for it.

And maybe that’s the reason Emma is having this vision of her impending death? 

We’re also supposed to find out in this episode who is under the hood. 

If they’re really going to respect the canon of OUATIW, Jafar’s whole endgame was to have enough power in the genie lamp to be able to break the rules of magic to bring people back from the dead, in that plot there were 3 different genies that were brothers and had been “cursed” to be genies for refusing to pay the price to save their mother from death, and he eventually succeeded in getting three wishes from the three different genies so he could raise an undead army basically and then kill his father (it’s a bit more complicated there but it’s been a while since I watched OUATIW and my memory’s a bit fuzzy); anyway, if like A&E said this plot with Jafar is happening before the events of OUATIW, maybe one of the reasons he hates Aladdin is because his lamp’s Genie actually was powerful enough to break that rule of magic and bring someone back from the dead, and Aladdin hid it from him so he couldn’t use it (and also maybe why he is a Savior?)

So I do think it’s likely that Aladdin’s lamp will come into play and I don’t think the theory that Regina (or EQ?) wishes Robin to come back from the dead is that far-fetched, I think it would be a good way to tie into the OUATIW storyline, again if they were serious about them still considering OUATIW canon.

Last time someone was resurrected, Daniel, things went horribly wrong. 

Like we’ve been talking, what I’m hoping is that they are actually going to go into the wishes that we’ve seen be made by Emma on her birthday (wish made upon a star), Henry’s wish in season 3 at the fountain and season 5′s collective wish at the fountain.

And all 3 wishes (season 1, 2 and 3) were very much identical. Emma wished to not be alone, Henry wished for a family he had no idea existed to be made whole and everyone wished to be reunited with their family. 

The title of 6×10 sounds a lot like it fits this premise.

Wishes have been shown to be powerful magic without a genie being present to grant them. 

If a wish is made using a genie in this episode, then whoever makes it should know better. 

Things should be interesting.