Yeah, Emma’s not thinking about the town records just there. Allow me to officially announce my conversion to the @ripplestitchskein Theory of CS Coffee Time? This is a woman feeling justifiably smug about her recent life choices.
I’m so glad more people are on this train.
I can’t think of a single explanation for the look they exchange except that.
You know, timeline wise, at least a day had passed between the end of 4×04 and the start of 4×05.
Do you know how terrified Emma must’ve been here? If Killian had been dropped in the river of lost souls, he would’ve been gone forever. There wouldn’t have been a way for him to be brought back. If she had been a second late, their whole mission would’ve failed. She was definitely horrified by his face being beaten and bloody. She didn’t know what words to say about it. But then she played it off when she was talking to him. She acted like she hadn’t just seen him hanging while slowly going down into the river. She joked about being impossible. She kept a smile on her face until he was in her arms. She clutched him as hard as she could because they were finally together. She would no longer have to fear Hades hurting him because he was with her. Then the first thing Killian said when he saw her was that she shouldn’t be there. Even broken down and bloody he is still worried about only her. It’s no big deal to him that he was tortured and dead but her being in danger from being down there was. It’s become natural for him to forget about himself when it comes to her. She is his main concern. Then he just leaned himself into her. Although he doesn’t want her down there at the time, he chose to be close to her.
emma swan holding killian jones’ hook is the most beautiful thing ever
Is there honestly anything as beautiful? :’)
nope. 🙂
Nothing at all 🙂
This is one of my favorite parts about their relationship, because while everyone calls Killian a “one-handed” pirate and refuses to acknowledge the fact that it’s – first and foremost – a disability, Emma loves him for who he is.
Even in 4×04 (”The Apprentice”) when he got his hand back, she didn’t notice because to her, whether he has a hand or hook, he’s still whole 🙂 She doesn’t see it as something repulsive or disgusting, but as a source of comfort and stability. It’s just so beautiful 🙂
My favorite thing about each of these moments is that is shows how deeply Emma Swan loves Killian Jones. The hook is as much apart of him as his eyes, or his smile for her. It shows a beautiful amount of acceptance and love.
The mere idea that she finds comfort in holding it when she’s not well or happy or just anchoring herself to him in the moment. She didn’t bat even an eyelash when he got his hand back in The Apprentice and when he got the hook back her only concern was for his well being and wondering what occurred. As soon as he said it was his choice she let it go and shrugged it off knowing that if he wanted the hook it was better that way. She didn’t care, hand or hook he is still Killian.
Before they were together she only ever called it “that thing” once in S3. She was distancing herself from him and what she admired about him. She admires the hook because it’s a physical representation of what he lost and the man he’s become.
Oddly enough, going back to episode 5×02, and the events that followed this episode in particular sort of explains why the Dark One always asks for a price in exchange for a favor.
The person who asks for the magic is the one who has to pay the price for it, if not, the Dark One is the one who pays it.
And this is exactly what happened to Emma in season 5. Season 5 is the consequence of one action, one selfless act.
Emma decided to bend the rules and save Robin without asking for a price. She said she would pay the price for the magic that she was going to use to save him.
Everything that happened in season 5 can be traced back directly to this 30 seconds dialogue between Emma and Rumple.
I have a question, wouldn’t the price had been repaid when Killian asked Emma to run him through with Excalibur? He chose to die for other reasons too, I know, but wouldn’t that be able to undo the original price, as he gave up his life willingly? And then again in 5×20 when he decided to stay behind, he even says “you should have let me go in Camelot, Emma”, I see it as him sacrificing himself twice so that should have been enough to spare Robin, maybe?
I’m just spitballing here tho, but I have to say that this explanation on the price of magic is very reminiscent to me of several CLAMP stories (mangas and animes, mainly xxxHolic and Tsubasa Reservoir Chronicles), there the price of magic is also directly tied with fate, meaning if you refuse to pay it fate will be sure to collect on it whether you want to or not… anyway, really interesting analysis! 🙂
Maybe as long as Killian remained a Dark One the Price was held in Limbo….and he was in a catch 22 because he was before arresting it he had paid the price.
It had to go follow the path it was set on and could not be corrected… He was cut a killing blow of Excalibur and becoming the Dark effectivly froze time with him being made immortal.. but once Killian was no longer immortal it had to finish what was started….
I have always wondered that Robin dying (as much as I hate that he did) was magic effectivly correcting itself and thus giving Zeus the ability to trade killian back.. ultimatly setting things right.
You don’t mess with magic or its rules because there are always consequences that you don’t foresee when you try to bend the rules.
NO matter what it was a wild season and I loved and hated it all at once. 🙂
yeah this is a bit of a ramble but I hope it makes sense
Oh wow yes that makes total sense! And I definitely agree that the writers did include a lot of clues right from the beginning of the season that foreshadowed Robin’s ultimate fate, I very much looking forward to reading more of your analysis/meta on S5 🙂
Oddly enough, going back to episode 5×02, and the events that followed this episode in particular sort of explains why the Dark One always asks for a price in exchange for a favor.
The person who asks for the magic is the one who has to pay the price for it, if not, the Dark One is the one who pays it.
And this is exactly what happened to Emma in season 5. Season 5 is the consequence of one action, one selfless act.
Emma decided to bend the rules and save Robin without asking for a price. She said she would pay the price for the magic that she was going to use to save him.
Everything that happened in season 5 can be traced back directly to this 30 seconds dialogue between Emma and Rumple.
I have a question, wouldn’t the price had been repaid when Killian asked Emma to run him through with Excalibur? He chose to die for other reasons too, I know, but wouldn’t that be able to undo the original price, as he gave up his life willingly? And then again in 5×20 when he decided to stay behind, he even says “you should have let me go in Camelot, Emma”, I see it as him sacrificing himself twice so that should have been enough to spare Robin, maybe?
I’m just spitballing here tho, but I have to say that this explanation on the price of magic is very reminiscent to me of several CLAMP stories (mangas and animes, mainly xxxHolic and Tsubasa Reservoir Chronicles), there the price of magic is also directly tied with fate, meaning if you refuse to pay it fate will be sure to collect on it whether you want to or not… anyway, really interesting analysis! 🙂
Oddly enough, going back to episode 5×02, and the events that followed this episode in particular sort of explains why the Dark One always asks for a price in exchange for a favor.
The person who asks for the magic is the one who has to pay the price for it, if not, the Dark One is the one who pays it.
And this is exactly what happened to Emma in season 5. Season 5 is the consequence of one action, one selfless act.
Emma decided to bend the rules and save Robin without asking for a price. She said she would pay the price for the magic that she was going to use to save him.
Everything that happened in season 5 can be traced back directly to this 30 seconds dialogue between Emma and Rumple.
I have a question, wouldn’t the price had been repaid when Killian asked Emma to run him through with Excalibur? He chose to die for other reasons too, I know, but wouldn’t that be able to undo the original price, as he gave up his life willingly? And then again in 5×20 when he decided to stay behind, he even says “you should have let me go in Camelot, Emma”, I see it as him sacrificing himself twice so that should have been enough to spare Robin, maybe?
I’m just spitballing here tho, but I have to say that this explanation on the price of magic is very reminiscent to me of several CLAMP stories (mangas and animes, mainly xxxHolic and Tsubasa Reservoir Chronicles), there the price of magic is also directly tied with fate, meaning if you refuse to pay it fate will be sure to collect on it whether you want to or not… anyway, really interesting analysis! 🙂
I’m seeing that some people have issue with this part of the script that Adam posted yesterday. I want to talk about it.
Hook takes in Robin Hood’s grave in the far distance. A somber moment. But he puts his arm around her. And she leans in. For the moment, safe. Off our reunited couple, proving that life goes on.
I’m having trouble seeing how this is disrespectful to the fandom. It’s not about the fandom. Not even a little bit. It’s about a note from the writers that is meant to be interpreted by the director, by the actors, by the composer, by the production staff, by the editors, etc …
Jen and Colin are meant to read this and let this be a guide as to how the scene is supposed to go down … that they go from being ecstatic to somber but to hold on to each other in a way that shows they are grateful.
The director and production team need to set up and frame the scene so they can get all the details and emotion out of it that the creators are looking for.
The composer needs this note to provide the proper scoring to punctuate the emotion of the scene.
It is in no way, shape, or form a note to the fandom to feel a certain way or not. It is a note for the characters in that moment. Should the note have been:
“Off on Emma who falls to her knees, sobbing with the realization that she shouldn’t be allowed happiness when others are suffering” ?
I don’t think that’s the message that the show wants to convey. In fact, they have been pushing quite the opposite … that we have to look for the moments.
Bless.
Look, I do understand why people are upset and hurt by the extremely poor handling of Robin’s character and the whole OQ relationship tbh, it sucks they completely shafted it basically since S5 started (and way before that with the whole Marilena/baby Pistachio drama) and I understand how it can be difficult to accept the way in which they chose to do this, but also some of the analogies I’m seeing regarding this, like for example “imagine if Regina and Robin had started making out after Emma ran Hook through with Excalibur” are just plain false, I’m sorry.
Emma and Killian hadn’t attended the funeral together and then stayed behind and decide to kiss in front of his grave, Killian was DEAD too, Emma had just been to HIS grave, crying and saying how much she missed him. She was mourning her True Love AND feeling guilty as heck that her friend’s soulmate was now gone too, and then at that moment Zeus brought Killian back to life and deposited him BY HIS OWN GRAVE, and Emma obviously was shocked, surprised, but also at that moment you can bet she was also incandescently happy at HAVING HER TRUE LOVE BROUGHT BACK FROM THE DEAD. (Remember, human beings are capable of experiencing more than one emotion at a time, kids).
So ok, yes it is unfair how they killed Robin and handled all that relationship, and maybe they could have brought Killian at a different time (although honestly? Even if he had been brought back to Emma after the funeral or at Granny’s or even the next day I know people would have complained and find it unfair either way), but you really can’t make those kind of analogies as if CS hadn’t gone through HELL for 22 episodes and had just decided to start kissing at someone else’s funeral, it was a special circumstance and what I think is they wanted to do the contrast right there of life and death, which is why I think they used the “Life goes on” phrase, but just to show many different things really: how life is bittersweet, and how life, death, rebirth are all part of the same cycle. But also, as T’Lynn pointed out, that Emma DOES deserve her happiness too, she doesn’t exist solely to serve others and bring them their happiness, and that you can’t control when good things happen to you anymore than you can control when bad things happen to other people.
And the most important thing is that if people want to be angry at the whole situation, really you ought to blame the writers but NOT the other couple, because it is NOT CS’s fault that Robin died, not even a little bit (no matter how much some people want to convince themselves that it is), and it’s also not their fault Zeus decided to bring Killian back to life at precisely that moment. Blaming CS for Robin’s death or condemning them for expressing joy at being reunited after they thought everything was lost, when Emma thought her True Love was gone forever, and he thought he would “move on” and not see Emma again, when he was brought back to life (I can’t stress this enough because sorry but no matter if you love or loathe the relationship that was a BIG deal), I mean their reunion WAS bittersweet, after their relief and joy and love on being reunited, they were saddened that their friend was now gone, so “Life goes on” definitely has a deeper meaning there.
Woah sorry for the novel lol, just my 0.02c here 🙂
Consider for a moment a woman who around her eighteenth birthday decided to lock up her heart. To never let anyone close enough to hurt her again because no matter what she was never put first. XBeing alone protected her and in time she got used to her self imposed loneliness. Maybe even believed that she couldn’t be loved. Except on her 28th birthday she buys herself a little cupcake and a little candle and makes a wish not to be alone anymore. Did she believe her life could change? Or was it the pure belief of her son that granted that wish?
Consider a centuries old pirate who after the death of the woman he loved declared revenge and then let nothing get in the way of that goal- even his own sense of right and wrong. His single minded pursuit of vengeance left him alone and slowly twisted him into the “worst human around”. He was a villain with nothing left to live for. Except he meets a woman who offers him the chance to be apart of something, offers a way out of the darkness. Did he believe his life could change? Or was it the pure belief of Emma that gave him the courage to try?
Now consider these two people in the Underworld standing at the Scales. The woman who thought she would never be put first and the man who thought he wasn’t worth saving. And when the heart is weighed and the flame erupts. He puts her first and she chooses to save him. Two people changed by the love and belief of their family and each other. If that’s not a fairytale I don’t know what is.
No but literally it destroys me in all the most wonderful ways that Emma is the first to have loved Killian to the core with his hook. It was a symbol of all that was taken from him. A symbol that’ll he’ll never completely be an honorable figure again. A symbol of lost innocence. But it means so much to Emma. She’s such a fan of it, that without it, he isn’t the man she fell in love with. Without it, he’s not entirely whole. He’s not himself. And she missed all parts of him. Missed.
She loves every part of him, just as he loves every part of her.
GOOD LORD, THIS IS THE EPITOME OF LOVE. AND I AM WRECKED.
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